Showing posts with label church. Show all posts
Showing posts with label church. Show all posts

Monday, 12 January 2009

Quote of the Day

“Nothing makes people in the church more angry than grace. It’s ironic: we stumble into a party we weren’t invited to and find the uninvited standing at the door making sure no other uninviteds get in. Then a strange phenomenon occurs: as soon as we are included in the party because of Jesus’ irresponsible love, we decide to make grace ‘more responsible’ by becoming self-appointed Kingdom Monitors, guarding the kingdom of God, keeping the riffraff out (which as I understand it, are who the kingdom of God is supposed to include.)”

- Michael Yaconelli in Messy Spirituality

HT:http://www.nakedpastor.com/

Church

Did it!

With thanks to a small floppy earred quadruped of unusual hue for the advice! (HT:http://raspberry_rabbit.blogspot.com/)

Church

For some reason I can't wotk out how to upload videos, so you will have to click on the link.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc80G6Yzu04

Go on....you know you want to and it is only 2:30 of your time.

It could be any church- any issue...

Thursday, 8 January 2009

Church...what is it good for? (again)

(From 'Naked Pastor'- see links. It is such a brilliant site...)


The blog title says it:- 'musings from the web'...


This is one I unearthed a few days back, quoting from someone who trained for the ministry (Chris Hedges http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081229_why_i_am_a_socialist/) who now rarely attends worship. It is from a USA perspective (I think):-

'the inanity of the sermons and the arrogance of many congregants, who appear to believe they are "honorary" sinners. The liberal church, attacked by atheists as an ineffectual "moderate" religion and by fundamentalists as a "nominal" form of Christianity, is as its critics point out, a largely vapid and irrelevant force… it does not understand how the world works or the seduction of evil. The liberal church is largely middle class, bourgeois phenomenon, filled with many people who have profited from industrialisation… and global capitalism. They often seem to think that if "we" can only be nice and inclusive, everything will work out. The liberal church also usually buys into the myth that we can morally progress as a species… [and has a] naive belief in our goodness and decency - this inability to face the dark reality of human nature, our capacity for evil and the morally neutral universe we inhabit……
Religious institutions, however, should be separated from the religious values imparted to me by religious figures, including my father. Most of these men and women ran afoul of their own religious authorities. Religion, real religion, involved fighting for justice, standing up for the voiceless and the weak, reaching out in acts of kindness and compassion to the stranger and the outcast, living a life of simplicity, cultivating empathy and defying the powerful. It was a commitment to care for the other. Spirituality was defined not by "how it is with me," but rather by the tougher spirituality of resistance, the spirituality born of struggle, of the fight with the world's evils. This spirituality, vastly different from the narcissism of modern spirituality movements, was eloquently articulated by King and the Lutheran minister Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who was imprisoned and put to death by the Nazis'.


(HT: http://pluralistspeaks.blogspot.com/)

His bile is against the 'liberal church', but it could be any of us. Is church really worth anything if we just attend from time to time or even attend regularly, but spend ages on what goes on inside (and just become banal and safe)?


I was leading something this week based on something that 'Fresh Expressions' http://www.freshexpressions.org.uk/index.asp?id=1 produced. It talked about how if Western churches make a move from isolated souls just happening to share the same space once a week, they move towards a 'pastoral' model- caring and loving each other, but that is where it stops. We have to move to a 'missional' model (horrible, horrible jargon) where our relationships show Christ, where we bleed and rejoice together, but where we turn outwards at the same time... so the hungry are fed and the humble lifted high (hmm... wonder where I have read that before?).

I guess when we just look at ourselves and get all pastoral, we end up getting obsessed with stuff that, although important, just doesn't matter in the global scheme of things: worship styles, defining the word 'missional', is this a 'proper' communion?, are they ordained? etc etc etc. Or is this just me? Or is this just one of my dark January rants?

Wednesday, 5 November 2008

It's church Jim, but not as we know it....

A very, very long post, but it's worth reading...honest!


I found this at http://timchester.wordpress.com/ yesterday. Ok it sets up a dichotomy where the reality may be more grey, but it is making me think.....



Is your community a community of performance or a community of grace? Try these diagnostic tests …



Communities of Performance
--the leaders appear sorted
--the community appears respectable
--meetings must be a polished performance
--identity is found in ministry
--failure is devastating
--actions are driven by duty
--conflict is suppressed or ignored
--the focus is on orthodoxy and behaviour (allowing people to think they’re sorted)


Communities of Grace
--the leaders are vulnerable
--the community is messy
--meetings are just one part of community life
--identity is found in Christ
--failure is disappointing, but not devastating
--actions are driven by joy
--conflict is addressed in the open
--the focus is on the affections of the heart (with a strong view of sin and grace)


and then.......


How do communities of performance impede mission?


Communities of Performance
--talk about grace, but communicate legalism
--unbelievers can’t imagine themselves as Christians
--don’t attract broken people
--the world is seen as threatening and ‘other’
--conversion is superficial (people are called to respectable behaviour)
--people are secretly hurting
--people see faith and repentance as actions that took place at conversion
--the gospel is for unbelievers


.....versus........


Communities of Grace
--people can see grace in action
--unbelievers feel like they can belong
--attract broken people
--people are loved as fellow-sinners in need of grace
--conversion is radical (people are called to transformed affections)
--people are open about their problems
--people see faith and repentance as daily activities
--the gospel is for both unbelievers and believers

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